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	<title>Comments on: Coffee conference: more myths</title>
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		<title>By: Brendon</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-43735</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.  Thanks for reporting on the conference; glad to see an objective blogger covering a topic with so much controversy.  Raises some really good questions that &quot;third-wavers&quot; really should consider, like economic theory.  Enjoyed the &quot;no one listens to economists&quot; exerpts, all too common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  Thanks for reporting on the conference; glad to see an objective blogger covering a topic with so much controversy.  Raises some really good questions that &#8220;third-wavers&#8221; really should consider, like economic theory.  Enjoyed the &#8220;no one listens to economists&#8221; exerpts, all too common.</p>
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		<title>By: bz</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-43274</link>
		<dc:creator>bz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clay: the giant block of text posted above this one is the one. i&#039;d say &quot;enjoy,&quot; but ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clay: the giant block of text posted above this one is the one. i&#8217;d say &#8220;enjoy,&#8221; but &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: clay enos</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-43164</link>
		<dc:creator>clay enos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i look forward to that post. 

i would agree that if direct trade were the ultimate panacea we&#039;d be seeing more &quot;results.&quot; by now. 

Keep up the good work. I really appreciate you creating this dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i look forward to that post. </p>
<p>i would agree that if direct trade were the ultimate panacea we&#8217;d be seeing more &#8220;results.&#8221; by now. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work. I really appreciate you creating this dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: bz</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-42488</link>
		<dc:creator>bz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clay: welcome.

groups like yours are obviously doing yeoman&#039;s work and thinking of farmers. your arguments are the same, logical ones that many in specialty coffee make. and it makes sense.

what i&#039;ve never heard before is a broader argument that there may be better ways to raise the plight of farmers, and that the direct-trade model may actually calcify existing poverty for those who can&#039;t get into such a relationship, instead of creating a tide that lifts all boats.

i&#039;m not taking sides, but i didn&#039;t hear anyone in specialty come up with an answer for these economists. that&#039;s surprising.

so, i&#039;ve got several thousand words soon to be posted here about the issue, and about what i see as some new and startling arguments made by people who know the markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clay: welcome.</p>
<p>groups like yours are obviously doing yeoman&#8217;s work and thinking of farmers. your arguments are the same, logical ones that many in specialty coffee make. and it makes sense.</p>
<p>what i&#8217;ve never heard before is a broader argument that there may be better ways to raise the plight of farmers, and that the direct-trade model may actually calcify existing poverty for those who can&#8217;t get into such a relationship, instead of creating a tide that lifts all boats.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not taking sides, but i didn&#8217;t hear anyone in specialty come up with an answer for these economists. that&#8217;s surprising.</p>
<p>so, i&#8217;ve got several thousand words soon to be posted here about the issue, and about what i see as some new and startling arguments made by people who know the markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Enos</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-42287</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Enos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New here but what if you ask for higher prices and simply give more back to the farmers and coops through supply chain communications charities or coffeekids-type stuff? Charging more only allows us at the Organic Coffee Cartel to give back more. 

The way I&#039;ve been saying it is to &quot;Spoil yourself by drinking better coffee and in turn honor everyone who made that cup possible&quot; Shit coffee, while your right to drink, helps no one but the fat cats sitting in U.S.-based and European offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New here but what if you ask for higher prices and simply give more back to the farmers and coops through supply chain communications charities or coffeekids-type stuff? Charging more only allows us at the Organic Coffee Cartel to give back more. </p>
<p>The way I&#8217;ve been saying it is to &#8220;Spoil yourself by drinking better coffee and in turn honor everyone who made that cup possible&#8221; Shit coffee, while your right to drink, helps no one but the fat cats sitting in U.S.-based and European offices.</p>
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		<title>By: bz</title>
		<link>http://www.chemicallyimbalanced.org/2008/11/02/coffee-conference-more-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-41953</link>
		<dc:creator>bz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will, rich.

in essence, several economists made the case that while direct-trade relationships are helpful to individual farmers as far as they go, the &lt;i&gt;overall&lt;/i&gt; trend toward higher retail prices has two unintended effects on a macro scale: (a) it limits demand, whereas lower prices expand demand, positively affecting farmers more widely. and (b) when tough economic times hit, then a decrease in consumption (such as we&#039;re seeing) at a higher retail price point can create &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; volatility, which also hurts the farmer.

it wasn&#039;t an indictment of higher coffee prices per se, but rather a useful lesson on what&#039;s most effective if you want to help the plight of the farmer on a wide scale (not just the 2% or whatever who can meet specialty standards).

a real interesting proposal came up. more later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will, rich.</p>
<p>in essence, several economists made the case that while direct-trade relationships are helpful to individual farmers as far as they go, the <i>overall</i> trend toward higher retail prices has two unintended effects on a macro scale: (a) it limits demand, whereas lower prices expand demand, positively affecting farmers more widely. and (b) when tough economic times hit, then a decrease in consumption (such as we&#8217;re seeing) at a higher retail price point can create <i>more</i> volatility, which also hurts the farmer.</p>
<p>it wasn&#8217;t an indictment of higher coffee prices per se, but rather a useful lesson on what&#8217;s most effective if you want to help the plight of the farmer on a wide scale (not just the 2% or whatever who can meet specialty standards).</p>
<p>a real interesting proposal came up. more later.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re gonna have to elaborate on that one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re gonna have to elaborate on that one&#8230;</p>
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